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hi everybody
what kind of propeller can be used for a minimax with a rotax 447?
thanks

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I use a three blade 60"ivo quick adjust works great and very easy to adjust pitch, just loosen one nut and back up one large screw and set it where you want it.

I will fly my max and enjoy it to the max

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Here in the UK we have these approved props for the Minimax with a 447,
GSC, 2 blade, square tipped propeller, 64"
Warp Drive, 2 blade, Square tipped propeller, 62 diameter
Alan Newton, 2 blade propeller, with square tips, 60" diameter and 42" pitch
Arplast 148GAM 148 x 18 degrees at 53 cm radius

John Riley Minimax 1600 G-MWFD

AirBike G-ISON Plumb BiPlane G-FUNN

Butterfly 4 (sub 70kgs) BiFly G-POUX

Baby Great Lakes G-BGEI




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Tennessee propellers 60X36

a mile of road will take you a mile, a mile of runway can take you anywhere.

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I use a 62" Powerfin ground adjustable, recommended by Powerfin for the Rotax 447.Works great, no complaints. I originally had a Tennessee prop 60X36.Great climb prop, but my EGT's were way to high cruising with it.Harold

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2-blade 61" Powerfin with "B" blades....don't ask me how it ended up at 61"??

I didn't do it!

Right now I am trying "C" blades to find out if there is any performance difference.

Tim A.

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I was also looking for prop for 2702 and 447 by type its the same. There is an excellent prop manufacturer in the Ukraine, you can contact them direct. http://eng.aero.lg.ua/index.php?do=static&page=vinty
I have Kiev and Koolprop (manufactured by Lugo) on my STOL (ICP Bingo) on a Simonini victor 2 engine, and I can tell you I am really happy with the performance. Here is the answer and price he sent me:

Dear Peter,

we can suggest you prop series L1700 cut to 1600mm 2 blades, but we
have no statistics of its usage with rotax 447, we can't guarantee
its good perfomance.price - 350 USD + 10 (cutting) + 45 USD
(airmail delivery) = 405 USD Let me know if you take the decision.

mailto:aero@lep.lg.ua
http://www.aero.lg.ua

Hence there is no statistic, I would take the risk because they are really good. In the US its sold by Airtrikes by Vassili from Canada, very popular there.
If you want to read more about props I suggest this website:http://www.stolspeed.com/id/62

I have flown with Ivo in flight adjustable one, thats really convincing but the shape and the appearance of the prop is not my favourite. Especially if you are thinking about a good looking spinner.....

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Here is how it looks on a aircraft. It looks, sounds and works equally good.

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[quote=1535] I have Kiev and Koolprop (manufactured by Lugo) on my STOL (ICP Bingo) on a Simonini victor 2 engine, and I can tell you I am really happy with the performance. Here is the answer and price he sent me:

In the US its sold by Airtrikes by Vassili from Canada, very popular there.

I just got a quote back from Airtrikes for a Koolprop!

Yes, I have 1600mm (63") Koolprop - 750$ 2-blade (recommended) and 890$ 3-blade prop, stainless steel leading edge, white tips, included blade covers and pitch protractor.

180$ 8" carbon fibre spinner - strongly recommended for tractors

60$ (70 with spinner) box and mail with insurance

Best regards,

Vassili Tarakanov
Aerospace Engineer,
Canadian UL Instructor
Air Trikes Enterprises Manager
http://www.airtrikes.net
Phone/fax (514) 685-2856

HOLY CATFISH!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Curt
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Curt, for us the 1600 mm two blade is the best one. You might read my findings at Thrust test topic. I will finish my gear change and instrument panel refresh with dual EGT and CHT-s than I go for the props. But its closer for me from Ukraine.Shipping in the US from here is about USD 80-100 or so by post.
If you are after wood propellers, my friend makes them here, I can ask him to make one for you. Cost is USD 180 + shipping , you probably end up around 260 or so.

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62" Powerfin ground adjustable, same as Harold's. I got 230 lbs force on the pull test.

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November 28, 2011, 9:58pm

you don't know, until you try.
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Those with the powerfin prop, how many degrees did you dial in to get 6250rpm? Thanks.

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That would be interesting if anyone could tell you. You take your prop, tie down your plane, warm up the engine and you adjust set it until you cant overrev your engine with full throttle. Set below the max rpm by 250-300 rev. If in flight you see that there is more room for you to add 1-2-3 degrees than you re adjust it.

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November 29, 2011, 10:15am

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I will have to the airplane down, as the brakes and wheel chucks are not holding the airplane at open throttle. Thanks.

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That would be interesting if anyone could tell you. You take your prop, tie down your plane, warm up the engine and you adjust set it until you cant overrev your engine with full throttle. Set below the max rpm by 250-300 rev. If in flight you see that there is more room for you to add 1-2-3 degrees than you re adjust it.

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Does anyone have a new/used prop for a 447 that they would like to sell ?

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Yep, that goes for me also, prefer ground adjustable and anything but an ultra prop.

I found a 68" GSC on barnstormers advertised as a left hand but the pictures he sent proved otherwise.

Curt
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I am about to order from Lugoprop from Ukraine one for my Hirth, but since my hirth is belt drive its just the opposite what you guys need. For sure they can ship to US. 400 USD os not bad price, you will get only two blades without hub from Powerfin for that price.

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December 3, 2011, 4:46pm

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OK guys 447, with 62" powerfin propeller(B blades). What RPM, are you guys dialing the prop for? Last night at full throttle I was getting 6540, so I dialed more pitch on the prop and ended at 6350. Thanks, Luis.

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That would be interesting if anyone could tell you. You take your prop, tie down your plane, warm up the engine and you adjust set it until you cant overrev your engine with full throttle. Set below the max rpm by 250-300 rev. If in flight you see that there is more room for you to add 1-2-3 degrees than you re adjust it.

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Try that in flight and if you feel you have enough runway and you are not happy with your cruising rpm(too high) set it to 6100 on ground full throttle. Youll probably will get 6300-6350 during takeoff and thats still OK.
Also if that overspins during takeoff, that aint no good either. Lower the rpm and you farther you are from max is better. Max torque of 447 is at 6000 rpm so reving it up muchbeyond that is not really economical. Plus according to the fuel graph of this engine its the same fuel consumption over 6500, meaning if you overrev this engine, at higher RPM will get the same amount of fuel (meaning cooling and lubrication) . At higher rpm that could lead to overheating. Watch your CHT and EGT too.
I usually set my props according the fields I have , if I really need short takeoff than pitch goes lower but definately not over the max rpm.

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I am aiming at 6300 to start for maximum lift on take off, but I got to tell you I was impressed at the lift I got even at 4500rpms I got off the ground in about 200 ft or less of course that was with 5 gal of fuel and a 250lb pilot.

I will fly my max and enjoy it to the max

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For the very same reasons my Hirth 2702 revs only 5050 on the ground (max 5500) and my Simonini Victor 2 plus revs only 5800 (max 6200). Question is good engine choice for load/aircraft. And 447 or Hirth 2702 is more than enough for Mini/Himax. I am only 82 kgs (170 lb).
200 ft off ground is almost STOL performance propeller for rotax447 - ETLB Squawk Forums (126) Our law says here that your engine must be good to get your plane in 300 m (900ft ) over 15 m (45ft) obstacle.
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yea I could do that easily, I could have been 50 feet n about 400 without to much effort if I didnt choose to level off, but I have some minor tweaking to do due to a fuel delivery problem..I have the ivo quick adjust, and I am seriously considering installing the electric facet pump they use on challengers for take off off applications just incase. I think its worth the little bit extra weight.

I will fly my max and enjoy it to the max

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I just did that on the Bingo 4 days ago. I bought Facet 40106.

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good insurance, i think

I will fly my max and enjoy it to the max

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Anybody ever used a prop from ARROWPROP ?

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You wanna put any of these onto your plane ??? http://www.arrowprop.com/comp.htm
I am paying for my Lugoprop composite 3 blader today, I will give you a thrust test report as soonas I get it.
Peter

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I just came across the web page and was curious if anybody had used one. They do have a 60x36 prop for the 447 rotax.

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